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a non-violent, non-destructive crime you can do 

So many actions are felonies. So many are non-violent. Many can legitimately be done by mistake.

I bet you've committed multiple felonies without realizing it. You just didn't inconvenience anyone.

Support voting rights for felons. Support hiring former felons. You almost certainly are an unconvicted felon.

Please boost the example along with the statement. It's an important example of how easily and unknowingly Joe, Jane, or Jet Q. Public can commit a "serious" crime.

@thraeryn “unconvinced felon”, I like that :)

I use a similar argument when my “outlaw” acquaintances blame immigrants for their hardship “well, they *did* break the law...”.

You probably broke more laws than they did on your way to the saloon, bub.

@jbob
THAT'S THE FUCKING THING, ain't it.

Also, if a changing of the law would still have someone griping and frustrated, then it's not like they're exactly fighting for The American Way over here.

@thraeryn I live in a country (UK) with a culture of rehabilitation (not perfect but better than situation in USA) and got two cautions (infractions) for drugs possession when I was younger.

I needed a full enhanced background check to get my current job (tech work in healthcare) so I had to delcare them - but when it came back both had been erased from my record (which is 100% clear) due to time elapsed..

what comms are found on those frequencies? Cordless phones or PMR/public service?

@vfrmedia
Those frequencies, in the US, were part of a second(? I think?) wave of blocks opened for cellular phone communication. TV wasn't digital yet, but had mostly either gone to cable or stuck down in the VHF range. The FCC had no problem selling off the tippy-top of the UHF range.

@thraeryn this has happened in Europe too - we used to have analogue mobile phones until the late 1990s/early 2000s, I'm surprised if any such services still exist today even in the USA although legacy analogue cordless phones might still be in use.

In Europe you will sometimes hear relays of TV and hiifi sound for some pre-Bluetooth headphones and the occasional intercom/alarm type device around 868 MHz but they are not classed as private comms..

@thraeryn as for "radio crimes" I've been involved with several pirate stations since the 1980s and had very little bother from the authorities - they leave you alone provided you avoid causing harmful interference (and even if you do by accident you often just get a friendly warning).

Today a lot of work in my day job is related to specialised RF kit (DECT phones, pagers and pager transmitters, PMR radios, WIFI) and I learned these positive skills from experiments in my pirate days..

@vfrmedia
Yeah, an event I attend somewhat regularly runs an FM radio station for five days in Middle of Nowhere, TX each year. They chose a frequency no local station uses, the range is limited, and as far as I'm aware no one ever bothers them about it.

They're breaking the law, and the law is always enforced on a discretionary basis. Anyone COULD face conviction on a given day, if they angered the wrong official.

@thraeryn in European countries you normally need a "short term non commercial events licence" for the radio station but those aren't impossible to get and our countries are far smaller than the USA so much more care must be taken to avoid interference (especially to aviation comms just above Band II FM broadcast)

@thraeryn way I see it, if we're gonna have this many felons, we need a path for them to re-enter life.

@interneteh @thraeryn even if you only had one, what are we supposed to do, sentence them to another few decades of ostracism and homelessness on top of their sentence?

The lack of a rehabilitative mindset in America is disgusting to me.

@thraeryn support burning all prisons to the ground and never building another one. support abolishing capitalism. donate to IWOC!

@thraeryn Along similar lines, this is part of why one should never talk to the cops: The law is so complicated at this point that nobody can know for sure what actions they've taken that are punishable by law beyond the *really* obvious ones.

@kotep @thraeryn The term unconvicted felon confuses me very much... Is that the point? I just don't understand how one can be an unconvicted felon unless the felon is referring to a previous conviction.

@tangent @kotep
I committed a felony offense, for which I was never arraigned or convicted.

I committed a felony offense, knowingly, on multiple occasions.

I could say "unconvicted criminal", but I honestly thought "felons are people who commit felonies" was an obvious definition. I will admit to never imagining someone splitting this hair.

If "convicted felon" is a common usage, how hard is it to grok "unconvicted felon"?

@tangent @kotep
Sorry, I think some of that came off as dismissive. I apologise for that.

@thraeryn @kotep I don't know? Mainly I just feel confused about it.

@thraeryn @kotep I guess my question would be "why do you want this term?" (My other question would be what you've done.)

@tangent
1) I want the term to refer to the multitudes who, like me, probably like you, have committed felonies, many without realizing it. The list of offenses grows daily, and many are so general that they're essentially catch-alls to increase prison times for other offenses.

2) I intercepted and disclosed electronic communications, 18 U.S.C. § 2511. With an old TV.

@tangent
Because the idea of a "convicted felony" being used to strip voting rights from a person when felonies are sometimes so meaningless is horrible. Practically everyone is a felon. Practically everyone could find themselves unable to vote for years, having to go through a capricious process to get that right back if they're in the wrong state.

@thraeryn Now I get it.. it's kind of like how the sex offenders registry is meaningless because you can get on it for absolutely ridiculous reasons.

Also I'm pretty sure I've technically committed the exact same felony you cited, just not with a TV.

@tangent
There ya go! Also, there are people who have to check a little box on every employment form, practically guaranteeing they never again get a good job, over these things. They may have willfully done some shitty stuff, and once they spend that extra time behind bars it should be done.

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